tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post6527181457470110287..comments2023-11-05T06:49:09.637-06:00Comments on Twins Geek: Charge of BetrayalJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13907268840665045299noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-45587534670899044562008-01-18T17:29:00.000-06:002008-01-18T17:29:00.000-06:00John, I for one do not have a problem with a cut t...John, I for one do not have a problem with a cut this year and a major cut if Johan is traded. The team in 2008 is shaping up to be a rebuilding year, albeit, one that just could shock the hell out of everyone if Johan is around for a few more years. I do not think it is necessary to go out and spend a bunch of money on players just to spend money. Other than center field, where they still mayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-63004090971119687672008-01-18T01:23:00.000-06:002008-01-18T01:23:00.000-06:00You all missed the point! The stadium land deal co...You all missed the point! The stadium land deal cost the Pohlads another $25m over budget because the County screwed up. That's where the money is going--to compensate them for having to fork over the overage on the stadium land. Of course, they were going to take it out of payroll.Ed Gubmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05139490240620715587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-89446828937227166492008-01-17T21:06:00.000-06:002008-01-17T21:06:00.000-06:00All you have to know about Pohlad is the team is s...All you have to know about Pohlad is the team is still claiming to "lose money" after debt service. He's a banker, those loan payments come out of one pocket and right into the next. Remember also, that the contraction talk ended only after a judge demanded that the Twins open their books.There's no way the state should have paid for a stadium. Pohlad will spend as much as it takes to win, as Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-10611106047284695802008-01-16T09:53:00.000-06:002008-01-16T09:53:00.000-06:00If Morneau is under the Twins' control through 201...If Morneau is under the Twins' control through 2010, why rush to give him an extension at this point? If he had followed up his MVP season with another comparable year, I might see some sense to it. Likewise, if his less superhuman 2007 would mean his salary demands in an extension would be lower, I could understand. But it sounds like he's looking for a very long and very high priced contract Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-17598471859852144592008-01-16T09:01:00.000-06:002008-01-16T09:01:00.000-06:00I vaguely recall a Twinsgeek article from a few ye...I vaguely recall a Twinsgeek article from a few years back chastising the Brewers for having a new ballpark and only spending about $35M on salaries. I think most Brewer fans would be pleased with their current roster. My point is that sometimes even when you have the money there is no point in spending it on parts you don't need. <BR/><BR/>I'll miss Torii for the next two years but not the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-54047621806452534072008-01-15T18:55:00.000-06:002008-01-15T18:55:00.000-06:00but what does the other $15 million go towards. Yo...<I>but what does the other $15 million go towards. </I><BR/><BR/>You might have noticed that baseball spends a lot of money on scouting and player development. For the next two years the Twins have zero revenue, and a rather large expense in their share of the cost of building it, associated with the new stadium. <BR/><BR/>Some people wait until they actually get their pay raise before they startAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-24431748039477383762008-01-15T16:31:00.000-06:002008-01-15T16:31:00.000-06:00Welcome to the party, Geek -- those of us in the '...Welcome to the party, Geek -- those of us in the 'there's no way that the Twins will actually increase payroll' camp have been saving your seat since late May.<BR/><BR/>In defense of Pohlad, I will point out that the $30 million increase in revenue from the new stadium is, as best as I can figure, only for 2010 -- the studies I've seen suggest that any revenue boost gained from the first-year Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-11262049824703612502008-01-15T13:29:00.000-06:002008-01-15T13:29:00.000-06:00No doubt the Pohlads are setting up to strip the T...No doubt the Pohlads are setting up to strip the Twins of as much cash as they can and then sell off the team when the revenue plunges after the new-stadium euphoria wears off.<BR/><BR/>After Hunter, Santana, and Nathan, the next Twin to go will be Morneau.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-79524753631331574432008-01-15T13:15:00.000-06:002008-01-15T13:15:00.000-06:00The new stadium will cause increased revenues. If,...The new stadium will cause increased revenues. If, as you say, $30 million mroe in the coffers...then $15+ would go to payroll, but what does the other $15 million go towards. At some point, increased revenue doesn't necessarily mean more "operational" costs. Do they double the number of salesmen, tickettakers, janitors? Maybe they add more vcie presidents to the organization or something. But $Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-64507673799316775422008-01-15T10:55:00.000-06:002008-01-15T10:55:00.000-06:00My family has had some business dealings with Pohl...My family has had some business dealings with Pohlad and some of his associates. I agree that personal attacks are pointless, but knowing what I know, "very decent man" would be quite generous. <BR/><BR/>Of course, it still may not have that much to do with the payroll, but I would love to have an owner who passionately loved baseball and wanted nothing more than to see a world championship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-17018991927524347902008-01-15T10:34:00.000-06:002008-01-15T10:34:00.000-06:00A fair payroll for 2008 would seem to be around $7...A fair payroll for 2008 would seem to be around $74 million. Forbes lists Twins revenues from 2006 at $131 million. If we assume the Twins (as opposed to MLB as a whole) actually saw a 9% increase, that brings 2007 revenues to about $143 million. Using the formula that ownership has been pretty consistent with (52% of revenue), that should give the team about a $74 million payroll for 2008. WhichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-17421138121222619272008-01-15T08:34:00.000-06:002008-01-15T08:34:00.000-06:00hmm,"greedy sucking pig" is a little too vitriolic...hmm,<BR/>"greedy sucking pig" is a little too vitriolic for engaged conversational writing- it isn't wrong to question, disagree, or be passionate in position, but leave the personal attack aside. It isn't necessary and never adds to the ideas you so frequently present in a decent fashion. I love your writing and have been a reader for several years, but Carl may be a very decent man and the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com