tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post4060538227706523470..comments2023-11-05T06:49:09.637-06:00Comments on Twins Geek: On Imaginary Stats and Real GamesJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13907268840665045299noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-25315102355122784482010-04-10T20:31:53.817-05:002010-04-10T20:31:53.817-05:00"W" was definitely the issue & I agr..."W" was definitely the issue & I agree it makes sense during the typical "regular season game" to give it some weight in your managing. Shoot, from what I've read, middle relief types who wind up with a bunch of wins get needled, etc. for "poaching" the starters' wins.<br /><br />For me, there's another reason to leave Baker out there: at some pointBradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02156866142764210868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-66624552616429464872010-04-09T17:29:13.394-05:002010-04-09T17:29:13.394-05:0090 pitches is a lot for April 5!
I would hope he...90 pitches is a lot for April 5! <br /><br />I would hope he would not have come out for the 6th innng, even if he did retire Matsui.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-54183935288978536362010-04-09T16:15:14.322-05:002010-04-09T16:15:14.322-05:00I am not so sure that wins are anymore imaginary t...<i>I am not so sure that wins are anymore imaginary than some of the stats bloggers like, like UZR for example. </i><br /><br />It's true that lots of the advanced stats are imaginary, in the sense that they don't simply record objective events. The problem with wins is that in addition to being imaginary, it's not useful for evaluating players, but lots of people think it is.<br /><BeefMasternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-72242235339493702102010-04-08T20:27:08.829-05:002010-04-08T20:27:08.829-05:00John, you are right that managers do manage someti...John, you are right that managers do manage sometimes to get their starters wins. I am not so sure that wins are anymore imaginary than some of the stats bloggers like, like UZR for example. TT is also right, you need your starters to go more than 5 innings (especially your "ace") or you won't have a bullpen.<br /><br />I kind of like wins as a stat. Generally if a pitcher wins Jim Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-13404694772531233852010-04-08T14:18:20.927-05:002010-04-08T14:18:20.927-05:00For the record TT, Crain was ready. He was standin...For the record TT, Crain was ready. He was standing in the bullpen waiting.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13907268840665045299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-83015086198808019282010-04-08T12:02:54.462-05:002010-04-08T12:02:54.462-05:00I think you are mostly imagining this as the reaso...I think you are mostly imagining this as the reason. If a manager takes out his starter every time they get in a jam in the 5th inning, they don't have a bullpen left for very long. <br /><br />First, its not clear that "Baker wasn’t going to be pitching in the sixth inning in any case." He had thrown less than 90 pitches when Matsui came to bat and he may well have come out to TThttp://grannybaseball.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5394137.post-8446791083480048522010-04-08T11:34:17.076-05:002010-04-08T11:34:17.076-05:00This is good stuff, thanks. The "he makes $__...This is good stuff, thanks. The "he makes $___ million so he should have been able to ____" argument is really tiresome, and I like your perspective here.<br /><br />It would still be nice to scrap or change the "Win" statistic, and have motivational tools that are a little more meaningful. Not that I have any suggestions, of course.Anonymoushttp://(optional)noreply@blogger.com